What is the significance of geometric patterns of the astrology chart?

Question

I'm curious about the math for astrology. Most (not all) say one need no psychic ability for astrology so it must be the math.

There are triangles, squares, crosses and stars. Ot is it stellums? Are these patterns a good thing to have? Does it make these people more special than those that don't have patterns in their charts?

Answer 1

Geometric patterns, as you call them, are aspects made between planets . Name of the aspects is derived from the distance separating them. Trines, sextiles and some conjunctions bring ease in the expression of the planetary energy while squares, oppositions and some conjunctions create conflicts and delays in the expression of the planetary energies. The squares and oppositions build character while the trines, sextiles, bring out the best qualities in the planets involved. Some people never learn from the hard aspects such as squares, oppositions, etc, so they keep expressing the bad qualities of the planets.



edit.... have to add something. As some pointed out, you don't need to be a psychic to read a chart but good intuition is a plus. Even if you are good at maths, it doesn't make you an astrologer and you can memorize all the meanings of signs, planets, houses, aspects and still be a poor astrologer. You need to be able to synthesize and feel your way around. Basically, you can understand the entire alphabet and still be unable to spell correctly or even make a decent phrase.

Answer 2

Actually this was done by a New York City group of astrologers years ago, and it was called something like the "New York Suicide Study." Although it supposedly was a rigorous scientific test, it showed no astrological correlation between things in the chart and the suicides. The only surprising thing about this is that astrologers thought it would. Their belief rested on two false assumptions - one astrological and the other psychological. The idea was that suicide was such a personal act, that there MUST be something in the charts to indicate it. The first problem is the astrologers' assumption that there are "chart signatures" that mean the same thing in a statistically significant number, e.g. ruler of the ASC in the 8th indicates self-destructive behavior, therefore we should see this in enough charts to beat chance (I made that up as an example for my argument. I'm not saying it was part of the study). Such signatures are not accepted by quite a few astrologers, but others actively look for them. The second erroneous assumption is based on the first, i.e. that all, many, or most suicides kill themselves for the same reason or same few reasons. This is absurd. Therefore, it is not too surprising that no correlation was found. The data exists and from time to time other astrologers look at it and search for the elusive combination or combinations that will unlock this key astrologically, but this astrologer will be shocked if they ever find one. The study is discussed in some detail in Geoffrey Cornelius' book, "The Moment of Astrology."

Answer 3

Couple of quick points as the question has been answered pretty well from a few different vantage points, and there is no point in repeating things using different words.



The change from square charts, which make spotting planetary strength easier, to round charts, which make spotting aspects easier, marks a shift in thinking away from the importance of planetary strength to the importance of aspects and aspect configurations. Which one is "right" is not a valid question. It is a change in emphasis not a change in the fundamentals.



Although most astrologers stick with the so called Ptolemaic aspects, conjunction, sextile, square, trine and opposition, and some use Kepler's minor aspects, there are a group of math lovers who take it further and claim that any mathematical separation has influence (and this is a valid point of view once we accept the importance of aspects). This was taken to its extreme (and I am not using that word pejoratively) by John Addey (1920-1982) and his use of what he called "harmonics." But that topic is not only complex, it is beyond this discussion. Again note the shift in emphasis in astrological thinking from individual planetary strength to planets influencing each other. Markab made the point that old astrologers didn't use aspect configurations even though it was obvious that triggering one would trigger other planets in the configuration more or less simultaneously. They weren't stupid; they could see this. But old astrologers didn't place the emphasis on aspects that modern astrologers do. The shift in emphasis coincides with a shift in perspective.



Finally that old "debil" intuition. Most astrologers love it; I don't think it exists-at least not the way the term is used. We've all had "intuitive" experiences. I think they are very rapid logical deductions that occur so quickly the individual is not aware of the steps. For this reason we only have intuitive insights concerning subjects with which we are familiar. I've had flashes of insight with astrology charts. I've never had one when thinking about plumbing or electrical wiring because I don't know very much about those subjects (I'll read your chart, but you don't want me wiring your house). There is or there should be a difference between intuition and a lucky guess. Put another way, would you get on an airplane flown by a pilot who flies intuitively? I didn't think so.

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Answer 7

Everyone has patterns in their charts. They're called aspects, and they are noted by angles: 60°, for example, is a sextile. 180° is known as an opposition. A square, just as you learned in geometry, is 90°, and so on.



The astrological chart used to be developed in a square format, like the one shown on the following page:



http://www.archaicastrology.org/horary/



(I didn't take time to see the quality of the page since that wasn't the motive for my heading there. This was the best and most accurate example of old chart wheels as they used to be developed.)



As a result, the 1st, 4th, 7th, and 10th houses became known as the angles of the chart, also consistent with geometric thinking related to the chart itself. Today, the chart wheel for Western astrology is usually the 360° circle that is divided into 12 houses (these are the formulas to which I had referred; there are many depending on the house system). Hypothetically, each house has 30°; but the house sizes will vary in each chart depending on the house system used.



From the way you asked the question, it seems like you're trying to understand this based on graphic symbols of the aspects rather than understanding what an aspect is and the *guidelines* used for orbs based on those aspects. Some astrologers will be more rigid in sticking to a certain guideline for orbs. Others will be more flexible. I suppose you could say the choice of rigid or flexible orbs is based on the astrologer's experience.



The math beyond the geometric patterns used as one notes the angles between aspects in the chart wheel has to do with the formulas that are based on the house systems. Been There wrote earlier today about the hand calculations that she said are about 2 hours in calculation. I usually was able to create a chart by hand in 90 minutes, but I don't hand calculate anymore since I have a computerized program that can turn out a chart for me within 90 seconds at the most. If I am testing a computer program for accuracy, I will test it against my own hand calculations, however. But I have not delved into the trigonometry in hand calculation, preferring to use the tables to save myself the grief since I do tend to be more right-brained. I would rather ensure that the calculations I do are precise rather than making errors in calculation in areas like trig. I know my limits.



In re to physics, Rob Hand writes, "People who are familiar with mathematics or physics will recognize that what I am describing has some resemblance to a vector. A vector is a quantity that also has a direction... The planets act like vectors in that they set up stress patterns in the zodiac. And when the planets are in certain significant angles to each other (the aspects), which are derived by dividing the full 360° circle by small whole numbers, they set up vibrations or wave patterns in the zodiac... The planets, like vectors, have a quantitative stress, and more important, a qualitative stress, in a certain direction... We can consider all planets approximately equal quantitatively, except possibly the Sun and the Moon may be stronger. At any rate, we assign all the planets a value of one unit. Such vectors are called 'unit vectors.'"



I agree, btw, that one does not need psychic ability for astrology, but each astrologer is unique, just as many other professionals are in their own fields.

Answer 8

I cannot resist, but my answer will be serious. In my opinion the short answer is this: there is no significance, but astrologers do use these things. Let us begin at the beginning.



When I teach, I tell beginners astrology is more math than magic. We have to cast the chart, a mathematical exercise, check the aspects another mathematical exercise and calculate progressions directions etc - all math. In order to calculate primary directions by hand one needs a strong knowledge of spherical trigonometry. I prefer the computer program that does it.



When planets are in certain geometric relationships they influence each other. There is no time or space to say more than that in response to this question. It started with Ptolemy said so, but there is a lot more to it than that - Kepler likened it to music. Can't go there now.



In other words drop the occult mindset and astrology makes more sense. Geometric patterns such as T-squares, mystic rectangles, yods stelliums etc have no deep significance in and of themselves. They are only descriptions of patterns - definitions if you will. If someone only looks at a chart and says this and nothing else, "Oh you have a T-square and that means ..." run without paying. A T-square requires two planets opposite each other (prox 180 degrees apart) and one planet that is midway between both about 90 degrees from each. T-squares occur in about 40% of all charts making them the most common aspect configuration.



If the planets are in a tight aspect, i.e. the opposite planets are very close to exactly 180 degrees apart and the so-called focal planet is very close to exactly 90 degrees from the other two, when one planet is hit by a direction, progression, transit, whatever, it will contact all three simultaneously. So in our imaginary T-square if say a progressed Jupiter conjuncts the focal planet it will simultaneously square the two in opposition creating quite an effect as all three planets are triggered at once. In this sense the T-square becomes important. Without this triggering it is two squares and an opposition - nothing more.



It is interesting to note that old astrology texts never mention these things by name. Old astrologers never used them the way modern astrologers do. If you were transported back to the 13th century and ran into Guido Bonatti on the street and said "Hey I have a T-square in my chart!" He wouldn't have the slightest idea what you were talking about, and Bonatti was one of the most important astrologers in history. So important that Dante put him in Hell by name!



What these things do with their esoteric names, is hook people into believing they are somehow special because of the configurations. They're not. Like I said 4 of ten charts have T-squares. Some of the more exotically named such as the mystic rectangle are more rare because of planetary motion. Everyone is unique. That just isn't good enough for most people so they look for these things to make them special. There is no reason to believe that famous, highly accomplished people are more or less likely to have these things in their charts. Famous people in my experience tend to have more subtle things in their charts that set them apart astrologically, but some famous people have absolute garbage charts. It's what you do with it, not what is there that matters. Hope this helped.



Edit: Chain you aren't going to look for what you think are inconsistencies in the answers and play "gotcha!" are you? That wouldn't be nice. These people gave their best answers sincerely (except the yo-yo who got suspended - a skeptic). You don't have to accept anything here, but game playing is for kids. None of the astrologers claim to the first, last, and only word on the subject. I'll leave my answer anyway despite my suspicions.

Answer 9

it is math, a knowledge of archetypes and symbolismand psychology, and an ability to synthesis seemingly contradictory factors. And so much more than you'd understand.



If you are such a "critical thinker", why is your badge in Horoscopes (and only Horoscopes) instead of something more worthy?