Question:
Natal chart & personality?
2016-05-30 17:48:07 UTC
Hello! Okay, so I've been into astrology for a few months now and I know some basic things, but sometimes I really need help from people that really know how to read the natal chart and how to transform all the placements and aspects they see into a character or a personality. I've read almost all the sites/blogs/forums, I've watched tons of youtube videos from astrologers explaining meanings of different placements and aspects. For example, I know what mars trine ascendant means, but I can't figure out what does it mean to have this placement WITH mars in pisces AND mars being at 29 degress AND in the 4th house, like what does it mean to have all this things together as a whole?If I could've get all these answers from the Internet, just by reading some stuff and not bothering/asking anybody, I would've,honestly.
I'm not here to just hear sweet words about me. I just ask If someone could help me understand how all the parts of my chart work together, how they suppose to construct me and how I could help some negative placements gain their power and make them less negative. Do I have a point here?
And, of course, I understand that reading a natal chart is not free. And as I've been told it costs a lot of money, actually. But I am just wondering if there are any people that could give me even some basic ingformation or guide me in a right way? Thank you.

Chart:
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Seven answers:
2016-05-31 05:39:20 UTC
No one can teach you how to read a chart at that depth in a few paragraphs. Here are a couple of pointers.



1) Any reading goes from broad to precise. Mars trine the ASC is Broad. It gives some information. Knowing Mars is in Pisces, gives us more information that modifies the broad information. Knowing how tight the aspect is, modifies the strength of what you already know. Knowing Mars is at 29 Pisces is more for predictive techniques, unless a fixed star is involved then that modifies it further.



1a) Let's take Donald Trump. His ASC is 29 Leo and Mars is conjunct. Leo is the showman. But 29 Leo is on Regulus, a royal star. It is going to give him some kind of presence at least. When he is introduced he is going to take over the conversation or the room or maybe the whole damn country. Not everyone with 29 Leo on the ASC is presidential material, but here you have the broad outline of an outgoing personality.



Mars is conjunct his ASC. Donald Trump is nothing if he isn't Mars-like. We see both the presence of Leo on Regulus and the drive of Mars. Mars is competitive, so Trump is going to be competitive, but not in a quiet way (Mars is in Leo). When he tries he is going to go all out. This is why I never thought for one minute that he wasn't going to take his candidacy to the end. When he wins, it is going to be highly recognized. Recognition doesn't mean everyone in the world. You can be highly recognized by co-workers, your local town or even your family



1b) Leo ASC is ruled by the Sun. Trump's Sun is in Gemini and not strong at all. But it is in the 10th house of honors, and action (Placidus cusps;). This stuff is brought to the ASC. The ASC is the native (NOT THE SUN; it's not a mask or the way you behave in front of others to fool them), so it's ruler is going to bring the things of the house it occupies to the house it rules.



Jupiter is in the 2nd house of wealth. Jupiter has an analogy with wealth and this indicates the strong possibility the native will accrue great wealth. Moon and Jupiter are in mutual reception, so some of his wealth will come from the 4th house, family, where the Moon is located as well as his business endeavors (Moon is exaltation ruler of the 10th). The Moon rules his 11th house of friends. What kinds of friends? Mercury or smart kinds, Saturn in detriment kinds too, so politicians, and Venus kinds. Trump adores beautiful women.



So planets occupying house bring that house to the house they rule. This gets more complicated when there are multiple planets in a house. If the house is empty, and there are always some of those, connect it's ruler to the house it rules.



This particular system (there are others) was written out in an 800+ page book written in Latin and published in 1661 - Astrologia Gallica (French Astrology). The author is jean Baptiste Morin deVillefranche (1583 - 1656) The text was published posthumously by a grateful client and it was promptly forgotten.More than half of it has only recently (1974 on) been published in English. It has never been published in its entirety in any modern language. He calls this his system of Determinations. Sun in 10 is determined toward 10th house things etc. It remains for the astrologer to connect them.



Before you purchase: Morinus, as he liked to be called, is long winded and in love with himself. If you can't enjoy his high opinion of Morinus, you have to learn to ignore that stuff to get anything out of his work. If you want to try it, it is possible to learn his system from Book 21 alone. It takes work though and preferably a teacher.



You learn to put this stuff together the old fashioned way. You practice. First get your basics down, the essence of the planets, the essence of the signs. You'll find old astrologers are not as aspect happy as modern astrologers are. Then you practice using charts of people that you know very well or celebrities whose life details are available from someone other than the publicity agent.



One more quick example again using the ASC: Two men, both Americans, both very famous, and both have 25 Virgo rising. In chart A, the older man, Mercury is in Scorpio in the third house of siblings. Chart B has Mercury in Aries in the 7th. Chart A began his wildly successful business with his brother in what could be called a field of communications. Chart B began his wildly successful business in his home, by himself communicating a Mars activity to "others" (7th). Chart A is Walt Disney. Chart B is Hugh Hefner.



Note both are selling purity (Virgo rising). Disney sells a wholesome variety of purity characterized best by Snow White his first seriously successful full length animation. Hefner sells the purity of women. His centerfolds idealize (with the help of an artist and an airbrush - Disney's tools) the female body. Disney was a prude, especially by Hefner's standards. Mercury is in Scorpio a fixed sign. That Scorpio is considered a sexual sign makes us wonder what kinds of drawings he made in private, but none have surfaced to my knowledge.



Hefner is a prude in his own way and certainly not the way we tend to use that word. Like all prudes he looked down on those who didn't see things his way. This singular way of looking at the world is very Mars and Aries like.



Learn the basics. Then practice. Finding a teacher is usually best.
2016-05-31 05:40:02 UTC
Mars in pisces in 4th house means, You assert yourself with the pisces energy in that particular house, the 4th house represents the family, home. This placement represents strong defender of the home, you'd have to get through the god of war to slip.



The 29 degree, hmm idk, i haven't found that as a powerful degree, You might wanna buy a book or research about powerful degree placements. For mars sun, aspects, everything.



Yeah if you want a true chart interpretation, which will be like pages and pages of dealienation, it will COST a stone



But a briefing nonetheless--YOU have aries moon BAMM!!! Are you impatient and do you have no problem expression your anger, The Moon in aries environment knows about it where they stand on things, or when they explode, And your mars is just next to the last degree in pisces it's at the very end of pisces about to go intio aries, See if the online Mars in aries description fits you. Mars at the end indicates it's over with the pisces energy and ready to go into aries



Your every placements are spread out all over the zodiac which is a good sign as in times of crisis you will not fall deep, the other energies in other placements won't let you go in deep.



See...is it starting to get detailed and minute and thick. So that's why a full interpretation cost.
2016-05-30 19:06:22 UTC
Go and pay a professional. If you really believe that everyone is a programmed robot, then why bother with the amateurs.



Personally I'd be insulted by anyone that would stereotype me with tooth fairy science and birth date. Do you like being judged by gender or ethnic origins? What makes astrology better?



The Internet is not useful. It SHOULD BE, you're using it now. Note the contradictions in from BT. Why spend a lot of time and money learning Tooth Fairy science just to get your chart read? This is like taking college courses except no previous knowledge is needed. There's no theory for astrology claims. Only religious like belief. See a pro and move on.
slippped
2016-05-31 21:10:31 UTC
take some classes. A good source is Kepler College for Astrological Education
2016-05-31 00:02:37 UTC
Look up on Google.
Lina
2016-05-30 17:50:57 UTC
And these are all the aspects I have if someone
2016-05-30 19:21:20 UTC
Two things are required in order to read a chart.

An understanding of the parts of a chart, and what each represents.

A basic understanding of how people work inside. Because what the natal chart show is what happens INSIDE a person.



One thing that is NOT very useful, is the internet. The majority of the sites are there to make money. Either they are paid by advertisers who pay according to how many visitors the site has (how much exposure their ad ON that site gets) ... or the webmaster makes money by confusing you and then selling you computer-generated reports (since the info is piece-meal, and already available for free on websites, by PAY for it?).

And a number of these sites are not even run by people who know astrology very well. Same goes for YouTube.

Of course, those who write books are also doing it for the money .. but the primary market is professional astrologers, and editors weed out books that have garbage info. Books cost money to print and distribute, and if astrologers reject the book ...

Best bet find a local astrologer who holds lessons. Preferably one who is certified (AFA, ISAR, NCGGR, Kepler College).

Second best is to read books ... Rudhyar, March & McEvers, Sakoian & Acker, Tracy Marks, Stephen Arroyo, Noel Tyl, Robert Pelletier, Robert Hand ... some of the better books to read.

But MOSTLY is to do chart after chart after chart for everyone you KNOW (celebs are not of much use, since their PR managers control what YOU see). Comparing and contrasting what is I the chart with what the person shows, comparing one Moon-in-Taurus you know with another Moon-in-Taurus and seeing if they match what Moon-in-Taurus is supposed to be like .. and if the ways in which these two are different can be seen as the differences between the two charts.

Expect it to take years.



UNTIL then, learn the theory.

So the parts of a chart:

(1) The planets. Each planet represents a different part of the personality. Dane Rudhyar is a difficult read, but the info you get is invaluable. Especially for the nature of the planets and for the houses. You need to clearly understand what inner need each planet represents, and to be able to understand how that inner need pushes our reactions and responses and behavior. Because your interpretation STARTS with each need.



(2) The aspects between planets. When one planet aspects another planet, there is an interaction between those two needs. If there is no aspect, then how one need operates has no effect on how the other need operates . there is no interaction. But when they DO aspect each other, depending on whether or not that aspect is a harmonious or a discordant aspect, then those two needs work together OR they conflict.

SO what do you think might happen if what you need for emotional security inside yourself conflicts with your social style/the you relate?

What might happen if what you need for emotional security supports and enhances the way you relate to others? And if your relationships support your emotional nature?

This is where you START when reading a chart, and no book can give you an answer.

So you must learn how to find the aspects in the chart, and what kind of interaction dynamic is shown by each kind of aspect.



(3) Once you have determined how this planet interacts with other planets (the aspects), then you have to make a value judgement about how well/how poorly the person finds it to work with this inner need, to try to get this need met.

A harmoniously aspected planet will easily express the positive side of whatever sign it is in. And a discordantly-aspected planet is stressed-out and tend to blow off and express the negative side of whatever sign it is in.

Why? Well HOW that need interacts with OTHER needs (the aspects) will suggest why.

Say that Moon (emotion) square (conflict) Venus (relating) happens between the signs/styles of Aries and Cancer. The Moon in Aries shows emotional reactions that quickly rise up and are openly expressed. The person can get irritated really quickly and flash at someone .. and then be over it.

But they NEED gentle and nurturing relationships (Venus in Cancerr)

Being quick to anger does NOT tend to produce gentle and nurturing relationships with others.

This person will not get the social results (Venus) they hope for, nor will they find their relationships emotionally rewarding (Moon). There will be a lot of inner stress generated over this, and it tends to increase the Moon-in-Aries tendency to be abrupt, as well as the Venus in Cancer tendency to get hurt easily (others WILL react badly to their anger) and then back off.

So you also have to understand the STYLE that each sign is trying to express, and the range of both positive and negative styles.

Take Virgo .. the neat-nicks of the zodiac. Or are they? Virgo is a style of attending to details and making everything "just right". But what happens is their standards are unrealistic and cannot be met, or they lack the confidence to believe they CAN meet their own standards? This is when the neat-nick of the zodiac becomes the biggest slob of the zodiac.



(4) Houses. Areas of life. Whatever house a planet is in, that is where you try to meet that need. Moon in the 4th house gets emotional security and is most-emotional about home and family .. in the 5th, it is over art/children/romance .. in the 9th, their philosophical/religious foundations/beliefs ... etc.

So Moon square Venus, with Moon in the 9th, some of that stress over relationships will probably involved conflicts over philosophical or religious beliefs that they are attached to.



You will run arcross, over and over (in books at least) ... tables that link a planet - sign - house.

These are learning tools.

Moon is our emotional need. It is association with the STYLE of placing value on nurturing, belonging, and family (Cancer). And with the area of life that deals with our early childhood, our parents, our family and our home (4th house).

This does not mean that a planet IN Cancer acts out in the area of the 4th house activities. It means only that you can understand a sign better by thinking about the planet that "rules" it and the house that sign "rules".



So planet/need acts in a sign/style, either well or poorly (aspects), about SOME specific area of life (the house).



The IMPORTANT thing is to look for the strongest part of the chart. Tune in on that and work it out well before moving on to other parts.

Angular planets, stelliums, major aspect configurations (T-squares, etc).

Repeated themes (like my sister who has Sun in Pisces, Neptune in the 12th house, Neptune angular, Neptune square her Moon, and Jupiter square her Sun. This gives a repeated theme that is Neptune-Pisces-12th house in nature and this is the strongest part of her personality). ALL charts have some kind of repeated theme .. or 2 or 3 themes.

So start out with what is strongest in the chart.

And ONLY use the 10 planets . leave out the Nodes, the asteroids, Lilith. Good chart readings don't even NEED those.

And use ONLY the 5 major aspects.

One of the biggest problems is that beginners don't know how to weed out the extraneous stuff .. and this is one way, by confusing beginners, that websites make money selling reports.

More is NOT better in astrology. In fact if you were to throw in everything plus more, you would end up having SO many influences that you could be describing just about anyone. And that is not the purpose of astrology.



Hope this helps.

I cannot do a lot here, because it takes a whole book ... or 2 ... or 3 .. or more.


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