Question:
Are some people born with an evil birth chart? Or its like everybody can be a good person if they want?
Euan
2013-12-03 03:15:12 UTC
for instance people who are triple Leos or triple Scorpios..

now I am a scorpio but i know that if somebody is a triple scorpio theyre gonna be pretty evil.. and if somebody is a triple leo theyre gonna be pretty selfish and vain

or even scorpio sun leo moon, or vice versa

So is it like some people are born evil with their evil birth chart or do you think everybody is capable of being a good person even if they are triple scoprios/leos/or have moon square pluto/ mars square pluto/ moon square venus etc...
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Antares
2013-12-03 04:06:38 UTC
The most common response to this kind of question is that the birth chart shows potential and we can choose good or evil with it. Fair enough, but not terribly persuasive given some charts. Adolph Hitler is the 20th century's personification of evil. He has the worst chart I've ever seen, The only planet with any dignity is Venus, his ASC ruler, and it is retrograde, and afflicted by two weak malefics. Broadly the chart shows a man with some personal charm (Venus in Taurus) that will use it for no good (everything else is in detriment). Charles Manson's isn't much better, and Bundy's is a puzzle just like he was. To add some balance, I read an astrological argument that we were looking at the chart that could belong to a Roman Catholic Pope, it was so laden with religious symbolism, and it belonged to gangster Lucky Luciano.



The counter argument is "What about all those people who were born at the same time or have very similar charts?" This would be mildly persuasive, if anyone could come up with one. I am forever hearing about time twins and time twin studies, yet I never see them. Geoffrey Dean's time twin study is a joke. He used charts 5 or more hours apart (some say weeks apart) and called them Time Twins, and he refused to make his data public. "Trust me; I'm a skeptic," is his motto. I've actually searched for people born at the same time and near the same place as me and its now been over 20 years and I've yet to find one, and I was born in a major metropolitan area. I did find other people born the same day and year but never anyone close to my time. Nor have I ever had two people come to me with even remotely close birth data. So unless and until someone shows me all these time twins, I'm going to do a typical scientific cop-out and claim the sample is too small.



If we believe in free will, we must believe Hitler had choices. Or we can use Schopenhauer's dictum: "Man has a free will, just not the will to use it." If we apply this to a birth chart, we will argue that Hitler's chart was so difficult it would have taken most extraordinary will (and desire) to reverse it.



The shrinks are no better. They will predict behavior based on the MMPI or other psychological tests. They will tell us we have a free will, but nurture trumps nature most of the time. There is no quick and easy answer to this question.



@Ron "Science" has proven no such thing. In fact that would be impossible. It might be possible to disprove this or that tenet (the value of Sun signs for example), and even that is doubtful in astrology's case, but "science" cannot disprove an entire subject. There is no test for astrology.



@Zach The expression "triple Leo" means this: the native has the Sun, Moon, and ascendant in Leo (or any other sign). Double means Sun and one of the others.
?
2013-12-04 14:11:29 UTC
To be perfectly blunt and HONEST



Yes The birth chart never lies... Technically anyone can be anything if they really try hard enough



But let's take an example... You see on someones birth chart



Sun,Moon,Mercury : Taurus... Do you really expect them to change??? No.. and they are definitely highly materialistic,stubborn,narrow minded, grudging, patient, probably weight gain tendency



To be perfectly honest again: Evil signs are naturally Earth,Water,Libra



Earth - Taurus,Virgo,Capricorn

Water - Cancer,Scorpio,Pisces



When it comes to honesty [by the sign[s] alone] It would be Aquarius and the fire signs



Scorpio sun/moon/mercury person will NEVER trust and always be paranoid... and secretive.. and manipulative



OF Course there is other factors to considering [rising,ac.. THE DEGREE of the sign itself ] ASPECTS [Conjunction/ Trine to Saturn from the sun is a BAD aspect even though conjunct and trine is GOOD ] Because it gives capricornic quality



OH and of all the Earth/Water/Libra signs... Taurus has the best potential to be Honest between those 2 elements and Libra BUT IF AND ONLY IF



IAOF [ IF AND ONLY IF ]



1. The Taurus finds it as a simpler option

2. Money/Material gain is assured from being honest instead of dishonest [though this usually gets reversed]
?
2013-12-03 23:46:05 UTC
Someone who is a Leo Sun, Libra rising, Gemini Venus, Scorpio moon, Aries Mars is evil. Also Scorpio Sun & Venus, Aries rising, Virgo moon, Virgo Mars.
2013-12-03 06:34:37 UTC
Everyone is capable of good and evil.

Looking at the natal chart of Charles Manson it appears that he unfortunately was born into horrible circumstsnces. However a lot of ppl were.. But we all have free will!!!
2013-12-03 06:44:57 UTC
First, let's define "evil" from a spiritual and psychological perspective.

"Evil" is what happens when someone is desperately unhappy and doesn't know how to become happy. They become self-centered and the things they do, they do in order to TRY to become happy.

Too often, though, we don't take charge of ourselves .. we just live our life on auto-pilot, blindly acting and reacting to whatever stimulus triggers a response in us.

Human beings are capable of SO much more than this unintentional, instinctive way of living.



So there are no evil people. Only unhappy people. Who don't take charge of themselves.

But everyone can learn to become happy ... it has nothing to do with what's going on in your outer life, and everything to do with what your unconscious attitudes are and how self-aware your are.



Now, as for astrology charts ....

What beings out the best or worst in a birth chart is the aspects, not the signs.

Harmonious aspects, such as sextiles and trines, bring out the positive side of the planet and the positive style of whatever sign the planet is in.

Discordant aspects, such as squares and oppositions, bring out the negative side of the planet and the negative style of whatever sign the planet is in.



Because all signs have both postiive and negative sides.

And everyone has at least one harmonious aspect in their chart and at least one discordant aspect too.

And since our birth chart is ONLY an influence on us, WE have the ability to rise above it and be self-determining. Our chart is only as much of an influence as WE let it be.



So, are some people born with an evil birth chart? No. Some charts ARE more difficult than others, but I have seen very negative charts where the person rose above it and mastered themselves and became happy. And other very-easy charts where the person never lifted a finger to become self-aware. It is not what we have to work with, but whether or not we work with it.

Yes, our background has a lot to do with it .. but since sociologists tell us that 97% of all families are dysfunctional to some extent, WE have to take responsibility for ourselves at some point and stop blaming our past for our shortcomings.



Can everybody be a good person if they want? Yes. But first they have to find out how to be happy so they aren't self-centered and selfish in their actions.



And often that IS the way to happiness.

Psychology has found that happier people are those who give and share with others.

And that the unhappier people are those who are self-centered.

So, we can deliberately turn our focus off or ourselves, and learn to care about others instead, if we want to be happy.

For instance, my sister volunteers every Monday evening to cook and serve food to the homeless at a homeless shelter in her city.

My daughter (an equestrian) volunteers once a week with an organization that pairs handicapped children up with horses, giving the kids a sense of power and connectedness through the bond they establish with the horse. She puts the child on the horse, and leads the horse around for an hour.



It's really important, for inner happiness, to care about others.

And this is how we overcome our inner unhappiness, which is the source of any "evil" actions that we do.
?
2013-12-03 05:43:47 UTC
I'm a Leo sun Scorpio moon with cancer rising. Have I ever thought something sick or twisted? Hell yes. Would I ever actually do any of it? Helllll no. It depends on the person and on top of that self control. I bet you could have the worse chart ever known to man but if its controlled it could be perfection.
2013-12-03 03:27:00 UTC
People only believe astrology works because they make it work. Meaning, they get a prediction based on their birth, and feel like that must happen. So they make it happen.



I am going to say that you define your own decisions, life, luck, and happiness. The stars have no special powers that will define anything that has happened, is happening, or is going to happen. They are heaps of superheated mass just fusing itself until it implodes. Nothing magical or Psychic about them.



That said, I have never even heard of single/double/triple birthsigns. Just sounds silly to me, sorry.
2013-12-03 03:25:45 UTC
By the time you are 16 you will be exactly whatever your mother was, but more emphatic.



As for birth, well, some of us were born king of some rich country and some were born in poverty in some place nobody wants to remember.
?
2013-12-04 12:54:51 UTC
I have mostly scorpio in my chart.. I'm not evil? Just very reserved lol
?
2013-12-03 03:16:23 UTC
No. Nobody is born with any sort of birth chart as Astrology is not a real science and has been proven through scientific method to be invalid.
2016-03-10 03:21:49 UTC
a damn serial killer! freakin psychos


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