astrological 12th house and psychological effects ?

Question

Say if someone has many placements in the 12th house ( especially the moon, mercury , mars , venus , saturn and the sun ) will the person be more inclined to have some sort of psychological advantages and disadvantages ?

And say if someone with these placements is " deemed " insane/mental by the society because they say they have seen things and act accordingly to those things , would you think it is because they indeed see things beyond what we normally deem " sane " and " reality ".

Say in a mad house, a patient keeps saying that someone is after them ( and of course other people will think he is insane / nut ), but would you think that the world appear differently in their eyes and percieved differently by their brains ? What is reality for us is not for them and vice versa ? Brain defect aside , what do you think about this ?

Thanks in advance

Answer 1

12th House issues are definitely not a welcome aspect for any sane person, i think..unless one enjoys being caught up in a different realm of life, if you understand what i mean! Anyway, because the 12 House deals with issues we tend to suppress and push deep down into the sunconscious, most would rather not confront these issues at all.



I'll use an analogy. It's a lot like keeping a whole closets filled with skeletons inside. You're painfully and innately aware of the pain/embarrassment they bring & know that at a deep instinctive level, you've got to face them squarely and fearlessly in the face but you either lack the courage to do so or somehow engage in self-defeating tendencies that prevent u from doing so..



So in a sense, you create your own 'reality' and see what you want to see of course. The positive aspect i see with many planets in the 12th House is that it gives one the inner strength & perseverance to keep on going, even when the chips are down as really, such individuals have undergone metamorphosis upteem times - death and rebirth in a figurative, spiritual sense of course. In the face of adversity, this builds character and the ability to accept one's mortality and vulnerability willingly. They are more in touch with the spiritual dimension of life but the only disadv is that because the tendency towards lies, deception & illusion is so strong, they may not have enough grounding influences to operate in society. Thats why the 12th House is traditionally associated with mental hospitals and prisons as well.



Wow, enough of my rambling...good to see u online XD

Answer 2

12 house represents expenditure, travelling places, going abroad etc. Sun, Jupiter & Saturn drive away from native place and home, Venus leads to extra expenses on luuries, perfumes and show off, Moon is the worst planet to have in 12th house, cannot accumulate wealth, cash balance always feel cash starved. Get money only to meet expenses.

Answer 3

Hi Ryan..just to add to all the others..

The 12th house is also the house of secrets. So it is a difficult house to interpret if you do not know the person face to face....and they tell you their sometimes extremely well guarded "secrets".

An awful lot of repression in there too but people can come out of it and actually use it. A sun position in there can take take time to fully develop for ex.

Very often also, the 12 house also indicates something whilst the baby was still in the womb; a turning moment if you like which later on had a repercussion on the whole life.

I could give you some examples..........but have to leave the internet right now.

Answer 4

I have my Pluto in the 12th, even though its very close to the 1st :)



I think its enough to make me feel like a loony sometimes.... lol



I don't have the answer, I'm just saying hello :D



EDIT: Thank you Janet, I'm a little better

Answer 5

ja, someone w/12house stuff can be a super paranoid being in massive denial, but more likely, will have input into the unseen world. The smart people keep it to themselves. Unfortunately, the more "open" you are, the more things go willy-nilly. :-(



Now all those docs with degrees that have a "protocol" for handling the people that see sh*t, make me sick. In my opinion, they have no clue. How can you judge something you can't see? How can you say, "I can't see it, therefore it does not exist. And I am an authority on the subject"? Ya, an authority on the subject of NON-SEEING. Last person I'd talk to!



(just a pet-peeve of mine)



Anyway, you have first, these folks seeing stuff, and then 2nd, usually with the 12th, the FEAR factor comes into play, and that's the part that messes things up and distorts the crap out of everything. Makes life a living hell. It's the MIND and that fear factor, and NOT what the person sees/hears so much, that turn things upside-down..



Another way to say it is: When a judgment is placed on what one sees/hears/whatever, all goes to hell in a hand-basket.

Answer 6

hi and lol ryan, i got saturn my ruler on 12 house, i like to be alone :O i hate to depend emocionally of someone else, i'm like a super crab, cause i'm always afraid of telling my inner feelings i never even think of telling them either to my lover big NOOO i'm very dependable inside but also cold i don't understand it..... really also i'm afraid of things hiding in my closet but i do not know the reason! **** ****! hate that! makes me so insecure about myself, and when i pretend to be secure everyone thinks i'm arrogant.... your welcome in advance!

Answer 7

I gotta run so quickly I will say that having that many planets in the 12th house, and such important planets, would definitely be a BIG disadvantage. Yes, I would say that their hallucinations are definitely real to them and beyond what we normally deem sane, but it is a distortion of reality. After a little Haldol or the current anti-psychotic medication treatment of choice, they may recognize the hallucinations in retrospect and agree that it was not normal at all. I feel sorry for anyone with that kind of natal blueprint to contend with in this lifetime.



Edit: oh, I see - thanks for qualifying the question, in which case, I do not know. If the person was deemed perfectly sane (no psych history), their accounts of seeing ghosts or such other paranormal phenomena might be regarded with more credibility, but not necessarily believed by all who hear. Now, if the person already has a psych history and continually hallucinates, the accounts would be completely discredited. Who knows how much might actually be real and beyond our normal senses that is actually experienced, but I would imagine that with many 12th house occupants or strongly aspected, there would be more sensitivity to this kind of thing.



Hi Devochka, honey. Are you feeling better today - headache gone?

Answer 8

Hey Ryan!



The sign on the cusp of the 12th is very significant. It can often tell where our weak spot is. I have Cancer there so my family drives me nuts. Jupiter in my 12th helps me be optimistic and is very much a "guardian angel".



I'll be back later to talk more about this subject.



Remember... It's not paranoia if people really are after you.



**Edit... Oh Ryan. You went somewhere completely different than I thought you were going with this. Oddly, I do have a story that is relevant.



Many years ago I spent a few days inpatient at the suggestion of my therapist. It was supposed to be for "rest" but there was nothing restful about it. The woman who I shared a room with was in her 60's. In group therapy she talked about how her dead father has been visiting her for the past 16 yrs. The councelors treated her like it couldn't be anything but her imagination. They had her on anti-psychotic meds among other things. When I was alone with her I told her that I believed her. I also told her that her father might not know how his visits were affecting her. She just couldn't get on with her life. I said next time he visits you, let him know. The next morning she told me that he was there the night before (while I was sleeping...eek!). They had a nice talk. She said I was right.



I realise that it is possible that it was all in her imagination. But I think by just having someone acknowledge her reality, she found it easier to let go of it. Or maybe she really did tell him to stop visiting. Who knows? I just know that there was a noticable improvement immediately. I don't know her sign. I was kinda dealing with my own crap at the time.



***Gawd Ryan. I don't think I can even remember. That was over six hours ago. I've had a ridiculously busy day. I think my head may explode it hurts so much. I guess the original part of my answer could be a clue.

Answer 9

From personal experience, funnily enough Saturn in 12th is a sure way to ending up in the psych ward due to a depression. Add the Sun to that (in my case), and it becomes chronical. Or is it the other way around?



Woohoo... o_o



Although I simply like to call it cynism. :p



I'm still trying to figure out exactly what was your question; the psychological effect of 12th house placements? The point of view from people with certain 12th house placements? The effed upness of modern society and its chronical psychological hypochondria?



Either way, I can't say from a schizophrenic's point of view. But I can say it from a clinically chronically depressed / bipolar / hypersensitive nymphomaniac point of view, if you like... My "mental illnesses" are pretty much a combination of positions all over my chart: chronically depressed: sun conjunct saturn in 12th. bipolar: gemini moon? Nymphomaniac: I honestly think that is a combination of being bipolar *and* chronically depressed (really, I thought those two didn't go together...) and the fact that having sex releases dopamine which makes you feel better (or whatever that hormone is called). Hypersensitive: I don't know, never thought about it so anyone who is willing, fill me in.



Not all mental illnesses can be directed back to the 12th house, although a lot of them can be found there. I have experienced that many dyselxic people have mercury retrograde in the 12th house. Other speech impairments are also attributed to mercury in the 12th house. Some people even go as far as saying that autism is attributed to mercury in the 12th house; although I have met an autistic person who had mercury there (in pisces as well), most people with that position seem to lack autism with that position... so most likely not true. Low self esteem is attributed to sun in the 12th house and possibly moon in 12th means lack of emotional needs or some or other mild form of sociopathic behaviour.



And so on...



Of course people who are wired differently are going to act differently; that's to be expected. Not sure if you are thinking "could we use the mental patient's chart to understand them better?" but I'm going to say yes anyway. A person's mental state says a lot about how things are from their point of view, so a 12th house should say a lot about a person's point of view...



*stops self* there's some object opposing my chiron, isn't there?





*edit*



That was *me* I was talking about! [lol] Clinically depressed and bipolar and hypersensitive, but a self confessed nymphomaniac.